This is an interesting experiment. Mahndisa has provided a new spin on the discussion of ID that I have never read. Her take is that ID cannot be discussed outside the realm physics. This is different because up until now, everyone has discussed ID in context with biology. You can read the comments area in yesterdays post or read her comments on Reva's Take post on the same subject.
Today, I want to delve into another part of this debate. Creationist are saying that their goal is to present an opposing view to Darwinism and not inject religion into the science class. Their belief is that children have the right to know that evolution is not fact and there is evidence that is contrary to its conclusions.
I was provided a link to a creationist website and read several areas of it dealing with evolution. There were several areas that interested me; dinosaurs and tectonic plate movements. It is this area where the creationist theory simply fascinates me. And it is here where the idea of bringing it into the classroom most disturbs me because the basis of the theory is rooted in Biblical teachings.
According to some creationist, dinosaurs walked the earth with man. They even note that dinosaurs were on Noah's ark.
Although there are about 668 names of dinosaurs, there are perhaps only 55
different 'kinds' of dinosaurs. Furthermore, not all dinosaurs were huge like
the Brachiosaurus, and even those dinosaurs on the Ark were probably 'teenagers'
or young adults.
The basic theory is that the flood wiped out the dinosaurs and when the remaining species of dinosaurs emerged from the ark they were not able to adapt to the climate changes and soon perished. However, there is an interesting passage in the book of Job that one creationist referenced that hinted at the fact that dinosaurs and humans existed at the same time many years after the great flood.
In the Bible, in Job 40:15-24, God describes to Job (who lived after the
Flood) a great beast with which Job was familiar. This great animal, called
Âbehemoth,Â is described as Âthe chief of the ways of God,Â perhaps the biggest land animal God had created. Impressively, he moved his tail like a cedar tree! Although some Bible commentaries say this may have been an elephant or
hippopotamus, the description actually fits that of a dinosaur like
Brachiosaurus. Elephants and hippos certainly do not have tails like cedar
This would suggest to me that dinosaurs did adapt to the climate and flood did not cause their extinction. The flood is the source that creationist use to confirm the many fossils found. Their explanation is that fossilization didn't take place over millions of years but in a matter of decades or hundreds of years. So, if this is the case then we should have found dinosaur bones that have not been fossilized because the extreme conditions caused by the flood are no longer a factor.
Tectonic Plate Movement
This is an interesting subject as well. Based on creationist, the tectonic plate movement occurred over a period of months, not millions of years.
rapid subduction of the pre-flood ocean floor into the mantle results in new ocean floor that is dramatically hotter, especially in its upper 60 miles, not just at spreading ridges, but everywhere. Being hotter, the new ocean floor is of lower density and therefore rises 3,000 to 6,000 feet higher than before and implies a dramatic rise in global sea level.
Furthermore, BaumgardnerÂs modeling predicts that because this thermal runaway subduction of cold ocean floor crustal slabs occurred relatively recently, during the flood (about 5,000 or so years ago), then those slabs would not have had sufficient time since to be fully assimilated into the surrounding mantle. So, evidence of the slabs above the mantle-core boundary (to which they sank) should still be found today. Indeed, evidence for such unassimilated relatively cold slabs has been found in seismic studiescientistetist, the great flood caused the tectonic plate movement which happened over a period of months not millions of years.
I haven't studied earth science since 8th grade so I won't speak on this. However, it does raise some interesting questions about the ID model. There are those that want to introduce ID to the science class without reference to religion. They say that they simply want to challenge evolution as the only theory. After studying the premise of ID on this and several other websites, I am not sure how they can argue that ID is not Biblically based.
The entire premise of ID is not that the world was designed intelligentligen entity, but that the Bible is historically accurate in all facets of science. How can you argue that the earth is only 6000 years old without injecting the premise of where the 6000 came from? It seems to me that methodology used by creationist scientist is meant more to proved the accuracy of the bible than it is to prove or disprove a theory.
Based on what I read, I am now fully against the introduction of ID in the science class. If this theory is to move forward in the high school curriculum, then its presentation should happen only in a philosophy or religious studies class. I'm not even sure if it necessary to know the theory of ID at this point. At this point, it requires more faith in the scientist than in the Bible. And I'm not prepared to that.